How “Cold Ukrainian Stubbornness” Challenges Kremlin’s Plans
In a new podcast, Pavlo Klimkin and Ella Libanova discuss Ukraine’s resilience in the face of Russian aggression and possible future development scenarios for the country.
Ukraine has been at war for four years, altering social ties and forcing millions of citizens to leave their homeland. Pavlo Klimkin, a diplomat, and Ella Libanova, director of the Institute of Demography and Social Research of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, discuss this in a new episode of the podcast “Klimkin Asks”. The episode focuses on analyzing “cold Ukrainian stubbornness” and its role in countering the Kremlin’s aggression.
The dialogue participants consider how changes in Ukrainian society not only define the model of post-war reconstruction but also the country’s role on the international stage. They also discuss why a scenario similar to the Georgian one has little chance of being implemented in Ukraine.
Analyzing the current situation, the experts note that the greatest transformations occur at the level of society, which is aware of its strength and influence on the future of the country. These changes become decisive for the sequence of actions and strategic decisions that Ukrainians need to implement to build a stable state.




